megraf
18 hr. ago

Ask HN: Should account creation/origin country be displayed on HN profiles?

Would it be beneficial for a platform to display the country of account origin on each user’s profile? I’m curious how the HN community thinks about this from angles like privacy, moderation, transparency, anti-abuse, and whether it meaningfully improves discussion quality. Are there strong reasons for or against showing this kind of metadata publicly?
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karmakaze
15 hr. ago
No. I prefer HN to be about the content, not its hominem. If country/etc is relevant for discussion it can be voluntarily mentioned.
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bigbadfeline
10 hr. ago
> I prefer HN to be about the content, not its hominem

In some sense, the hominem is in the eye of the beholder. The vast majority of people on HN are smart enough to use the information for its useful purpose and not use it for attacking other authors based on whereabouts, doing so will only damage the offender's standing here.

> If country/etc is relevant for discussion it can be voluntarily mentioned.

This misses the important case of relevant location info that the author fails to mention, and I'm pretty sure these will be the majority of cases.

People in different countries have different perspectives and knowing where the authors are located can help to understand their reasoning.

Bot farms in cheap countries are another problem that can be reduced by location info, those who absolutely must have their location hidden can use VPNs.

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baiac
14 hr. ago
> I prefer HN to be about the content, not its hominem.

Green accounts come to mind :^)

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dhx
17 hr. ago
It might have a minor beneficial impact to tourism in Saint Barthelemy and Norfolk Island from geeks wanting a trendy new account registered in a territory with fewer than 1000 IPv4 addresses allocated.[1]

A more useful addition would be a contributions calendar similar to GitHub's [2] but focused on which time zones the user is active within, and importantly, the latency of the user's replies. It's trivial to fake geographic location observed through source IP addresses (or even RTT multilateration) but much harder to fake time zones a user is active within, particularly if monitoring latency of replies.

edit: To further clarify, I don't think a contributions calendar would be beneficial to HN either. I've never cared to think about the country a commenter resides in, and don't care about username/real name either unless the commenter is appealing to their own authority (e.g. "I am the author of this software"). Even then, the usefulness of an appeal to own authority is often limited to the ability to reverse lookup the user's personal website (which itself is proven to be notable from other sources) for a link back to their HN profile.

[1] https://impliedchaos.github.io/ip-alloc/

[2] https://docs.github.com/en/account-and-profile/concepts/cont...

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Peroni
15 hr. ago
The less HN behaves like a social media platform, the better.
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0xCE0
14 hr. ago
This.
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RiverCrochet
11 hr. ago
Privacy: Won't meaningfully impact privacy. HN like any forum is a bad place to post your secrets simply because the servers are not yours. Post history for each account is already visible, so if you have an agenda, it sticks out like a sore thumb there.

Moderation: Won't meaningfully impact moderation. HN can already see this info and they are the ones that take moderator action. It may hurt moderation/increase moderation costs because people may tend more to report content based on country instead of content.

Transparency: Outright influencer content (political or corporate) doesn't make it to the front page enough for it to matter, or if it does, I can't tell.

Anti-abuse: Same as moderation. Abuse reports should be processed based on content and not country of origin.

Meaningfully improves discussion quality: If a story is about something happening in a particular country, people who look like they are from that country might get asked more or different questions. This puts people from that country on the spot. They may get increased unsolicited communication or thread hijacks. Right now, if someone wants to be on that spot, they can voluntarily identify, either in the profile or in the post.

Possibly something useful would be a rule/requirement that claiming to be from a country different than the one you made an account from--seen either in a profile or post--requires verification for further posting, but if you never make such a contrary claim, the verification is not needed.

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mindcrash
14 hr. ago
Given Tor and VPN, and the fact that both are fully acceptable to connect to HN - as far as I know - this would add nothing of substance.

The reason why it works on Elon's kingdom is that - as far as I know - the Onion services died when Elon took over (because the people who cared about those simply left) and over at X - as far as I understand - they really, really try and discourage you from connecting and posting from Tor and VPN.

Also, when people turn discussions into absolute flame wars or decide to post stuff which could turn nasty in the comment section there's always dang. And believe me when I say that even when community moderation fails for whatever reason the rules (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) will get enforced when needed.

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TimedToasts
17 hr. ago
4chan's system is pretty good. You can display your country or you can pick from a 'meme flag' (Pirate, Gadsen, etc)

Make it optional that you don't need to display it but you cannot misrepresent your country.

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hakkoru
16 hr. ago
I used to post on a forum that did this, as well as showing the OS and browser you were posting from. Some users would be funny and modified their user agent so that it said they posted from a Wii.
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d1sxeyes
12 hr. ago
What value could you possibly derive from this? Whether someone is from a particular country or not has nothing to do with (or very little to do with) whether they are qualified to have an opinion.

Folks are allowed to be knowledgeable about things that are not directly relevant in their “county of origin” in the same way they are allowed to be ignorant about things that are relevant.

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Bender
17 hr. ago
I think for this to be useful and assuming people wanted this then dang may have to first block VPN's and then country would have to be learned after 99%+ of VPN's are gone as many accounts could have been created using a VPN.

If not blocking VPN's, then display "Possible VPN".

Perhaps to get some adoption, make it opt-in and also let users enable flag-display at the risk of giving off 4chan vibes.

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tabs_or_spaces
12 hr. ago
If people will look down on me because I'm not from North America or Europe, then no thanks.

But if people don't care, then cool.